Episode 128

Published November 4, 2025

In this episode, Dr. Carrie Jones and Dr. Jaclyn Smeaton delve into the complexities of hormonal health, focusing on the DUTCH Test and its comprehensive approach to understanding hormones. 

This conversation also covers:

• The importance of clarity in hormone testing
• The DUTCH Test’s new interpretive framework called the DUTCH Dozen 
• How chronic stress can impact metabolic health and the often-misunderstood nature of cortisol
• The significance of the cortisol awakening response and the DUTCH Test’s assessments for understanding hormonal health
• The importance of lifestyle changes in managing stress and hormonal balance

Key Moments

0:00 Podcast Opening

2:07 Introduction to Hormonal Insights

5:08 Understanding the DUTCH Test Report

8:16 The Key to Hormonal Balance

11:13 Estrogen Metabolism Explained

13:44 The DUTCH Dozen: A New Framework

16:43 Androgens: Beyond Testosterone

23:20 UGT and Its Role in Hormonal Assessment

25:46 Cortisol's Impact on Hormonal Health

31:50 Updated DUTCH Test Report

32:57 Understanding Cortisol: The Good and the Bad

40:47 The Importance of the HPA Axis

47:15 Cortisol Clearance Rate: What It Means

54:32 Key Assessments for Hormonal Health

1:00:04 Podcast Ending

About our speaker

Carrie Jones, ND, FABNE, MPH is an internationally recognized speaker, consultant, and educator on the topic of women's health and hormones with over 20 years in the industry. Dubbed the “Queen of Hormones,” Dr. Jones is a Naturopathic Physician who did her 2-year residency focused on women's health and endocrinology. She went on to get her Master of Public Health and was one of the first to become board certified through the American Board of Naturopathic Endocrinology. She was the first Medical Director for Precision Analytical (the DUTCH Test) and the first Head of Medical Education at Rupa Health. She co-hosts the highly popular show, the Root Cause Medicine Podcast, that has over 9 million downloads. She is the Clinical Expert for the Lifestyle Matrix Resource Center, was on Under Armour’s Human Performance Council, works with the new League One Volleyball (LOVB) organization and is an advisor to Metapause. Currently she is the Chief Medical Officer at NuEthix Formulations and Head of Medical Education at Metabolic Mentor University.  

Show Notes

Check out the 5a-androstanediol research mentioned in this episode.

Learn more about the simplified DUTCH Test, the enhancements to the DUTCH Report, and the DUTCH Dozen. And check out our new library of video collection instructions!

Learn more about Dr. Carrie Jones and follow her on Instagram @dr.carriejones!

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